Would you believe it! A second JLU member has come forward and sent us the following, the 2nd image has some discussions (and insults) about Soft Linden. The rest just goes further to showing the true nature of the JLU. An interesting excerpt from their Braniac Wiki for sure.
http://i.imgur.com/pdiVB.png
http://i.imgur.com/tbOEn.png
2011-06-12 19:31:28 Kalel Venkman theGenius Indigo Reasserting the ban on this person, as he was part of the movement to have BanLink destroyed, given his comments to DBDigital Epsilon about how BanLink and the people who ran it were griefers, and that PZ and the League are no different. This person has in-depth long term knowledge of BanLink and how it was used, and tried to assert that it was a griefing system - this was the tack used by the Woodbury channers.
2011-06-12 00:04:25 Emiley Tomsen theGenius Indigo At this point in time, going to grant the appeal to the PZ ban. theGenius Indigo has complaints but are over two years old and are more for trolling and not for serious griefer attacks. This person is more of a troll than anything and it is reasonable to let the local PZ node owner handle banning theGenius Indigo, if that person feels it is needed.
Meeting of October 24, 2010 morning
Highlights
We discuss two possible recruits, Baht McMahon, who once called in an AR party because a scripted prim horse was left hungry, and Angelia Rees
We have a heated discussion about alt detection and the new backend server-to-server tie-in Brainiac now has with the **Police Department**'s IP-address based alt detection system.
Those who object do so on the premise that it is an invasion of privacy, and want the alt identification made into a separate command to protect identities of the innocent
Those who support the idea point out that such a system would be ToS compliant, and point out that moving the information to a separate command appears to be merely window dressing and does not address the actual objection of the system capability being an invasion of privacy
[09:08 AM] Kalel Venkman: Moving on, then, to the alt detection system.
[09:08 AM] Kalel Venkman: Late Friday night I put the finishing touches on a new
feature of our Brainiac database system.
[09:08 AM] Kalel Venkman: This new feature queries the alt detection system
operated and maintained by the **Police Department** group.
[09:09 AM] Kalel Venkman: This allows us to see what possible alts any given
person may have at a glance, without requiring a separate Brainiac command.
[09:09 AM] Kalel Venkman: I rigged it into the 'id/identify' command.
[09:09 AM] Kalel Venkman: Brainiac, identify Kalel Venkman
[09:09 AM] Brainiac intones: Kalel Venkman
(e0686d4f-caea-4e5b-9119-c6f1b55b6d75)
Roles: JLU System Admin, JLU Officer, JLU Full Member, JLU Member - All Ranks
Possible Alts: Kara Timtam
Articles: 269, 1433, 2483, 2645, 2646, 4204
Article #269, 2007-03-13 18:48:08 by Kalel Venkman in 'Verbier '
Founder of the Justice League. All subsequent records constitute his personal
log.
Article #1433, 2007-07-29 10:55:54 by Kalel Venkman in 'Asimov Park '
Became a Second Life Mentor on July 20, 2007.
Article #2483, 2008-01-06 16:54:32 by Kalel Venkman in 'Asimov Park '
The sim called 'Happy Ever After' is officially off limits - the sim owners do
not wish to find themselves caught in the middle of a griefer war.
Article #2645, 2008-03-05 01:42:43 by Aine Night in 'Asimov Park '
test to check for dupliacte entries
Article #2646, 2008-03-05 01:43:10 by RaynierSimone Whitfield in 'Asimov Park '
test to check for dupliacte entries
Article #4204, 2009-12-06 00:31:50 by Ookamisuke Babenco in 'Asimov Park '
Filing incident as a test
[09:09 AM] Remote Brainiac Access: Kalel Venkman
(e0686d4f-caea-4e5b-9119-c6f1b55b6d75)
Roles: JLU System Admin, JLU Officer, JLU Full Member, JLU Member - All Ranks
Possible Alts: Kara Timtam
Articles: 269, 1433, 2483, 2645, 2646, 4204
Article #269, 2007-03-13 18:48:08 by Kalel Venkman in 'Verbier '
Founder of the Justice League. All subsequent records constitute his personal
log.
Article #1433, 2007-07-29 10:55:54 by Kalel Venkman in 'Asimov Park '
Became a Second Life Mentor on July 20, 2007.
Article #2483, 2008-01-06 16:54:32 by Kalel Venkman in 'Asimov Park '
The sim called 'Happy Ever After' is officially off limits - the sim owners do
not wish to find themselves caught in the middle of a griefer war.
Article #2645, 2008-03-05 01:42:43 by Aine Night in 'Asimov Park '
test to check for dupliacte entries
Article #2646, 2008-03-05 01:43:10 by RaynierSimone Whitfield in 'Asimov Park '
test to check for dupliacte entries
Article #4204, 2009-12-06 00:31:50 by Ookamisuke Babenco in 'Asimov Park '
Filing incident as a test
[09:10 AM] LindenStatusServer v1.4.1 - full perm: HTTP Error (502). To retrive
the body of the last error use: /404 log
[09:10 AM] Kalel Venkman: As you can see from the above output, it identifies
Kara and I as possible alts, because we share an IP address.
[09:10 AM] Emiley Tomsen: whoa red wall of text
[09:10 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: Interesting
[09:10 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Which kind of makes it unrelliable right off the
bat.
[09:10 AM] Kalel Venkman: This clearly points up the fact that the information
in their alt detection system is not completely reliable.
[09:11 AM] Kalel Venkman: True.
[09:11 AM] Melanippe Karas: It's not unreliable, it's data to be analysed.
[09:11 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: You know how long it takes me to change IP
addresses?
[09:11 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: About 15 seconds.
[09:11 AM] Kalel Venkman: Yes.
[09:11 AM] Kalel Venkman: That's the other flaw.
[09:11 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Not everyone knows how to do that at all Jeremiah.
[09:11 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Jessi's alts are all messed up though
[09:11 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: b id Jessi Castaignede
[09:11 AM] Remote Brainiac Access: Jessi Castaignede
(152a9f34-880e-434b-a08d-e536c890f119)
Roles: JLU Full Member, JLU Member - All Ranks
Possible Alts: Blythe Restful, Karla Cyberstar, Tinkerbell Catseye
Articles: 3416, 4309
Article #3416, 2008-12-28 18:48:45 by Kalel Venkman
Leader of the Star Sapphire Lantern Core, and made friend of the League on this
date.
Article #4309, 2009-12-27 12:08:53 by Kalel Venkman
Made a full member on this date.
[09:11 AM] Brainiac intones: Jessi Castaignede
(152a9f34-880e-434b-a08d-e536c890f119)
Roles: JLU Full Member, JLU Member - All Ranks
Possible Alts: Blythe Restful, Karla Cyberstar, Tinkerbell Catseye
Articles: 3416, 4309
Article #3416, 2008-12-28 18:48:45 by Kalel Venkman
Leader of the Star Sapphire Lantern Core, and made friend of the League on this
date.
Article #4309, 2009-12-27 12:08:53 by Kalel Venkman
Made a full member on this date.
[09:11 AM] Kalel Venkman: Right now their system only checks IP addresses, so
false positives are common.
[09:12 AM] Kalel Venkman: We know for a fact, for example, that Karla Cyberstar
and Jessi Castaignede are two completely different people.
[09:12 AM] Kalel Venkman: Yet there they are ID'ed as alts of each other.
[09:12 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: Now I am all curious
[09:12 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Well, I'm suspect here. How could they have the
same IP?
[09:12 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: There are a lot of systems in which whole groups of
people are on the same IP. Not a common maybe as it once was, but it hasppens.
[09:12 AM] Neon Serge: i want to see what possible alts i am
[09:12 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: This would come up, especially if people share an
ISP
[09:12 AM] Kara Timtam: If they live in the same house.
[09:12 AM] Kalel Venkman: Here's how that would work: Person A gets detected,
then later their IP changes.
[09:13 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: At one time the entire WebTV/MSNTV system shared the
same IP address, for example.
[09:13 AM] Vagabond Carter: Mav, IPS arnt one shots, once released an Ip on the
same network, say Cox ISP, can be reassigned
[09:13 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: ISP rotate a pool of IP addresses to customers
within the same region
[09:13 AM] Kalel Venkman: Person B gets the same IP at random because they both
have the same ISP and the IP addresses are pulled from the same pool.
[09:13 AM] Melanippe Karas: So we just need a context for the information,
rather than taking it as hard identification.
[09:13 AM] Kalel Venkman: Then Person B gets detected.
[09:13 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: So, what you would call a "partial"?
[09:13 AM] Kalel Venkman: So the most you can infer is that Karla Cyberstar
lives in the same part of the state as Jesse Castaignede.
[09:13 AM] Kalel Venkman: But that's about it.
[09:14 AM] Emiley Tomsen: CD says the system is being worked on to prevent these
issues, better identifiers to reduce the false positives.
[09:14 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: People in college in the same dorm can all have the
same IP address, too.
[09:14 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Still though, this is pretty solid.
[09:14 AM] Vagabond Carter: Gemini systems CDS had similar problems, and
resulted in a lot of false bans
[09:14 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: And it is a step in the right direction.
[09:14 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: I am curious, and more than a bit about this
[09:14 AM] Kalel Venkman: The upgrades CD's people are planning identify a
person down to a specific computer, not just an IP address.
[09:14 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: And that's the problem--good people can be hurt by
it for merely sharing an IP address, which is not right.
[09:14 AM] Bobkoe Nirvana: I have my own website RL. I get notes that people
send with odd names, making weird statements. I cannot find out who they are.
[09:15 AM] Kara Timtam: Without an "autoban" function, at least this is a
pointer to examine a situation further.
[09:15 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: I dsiagree.
[09:15 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: What does this use to detect, exactly?
[09:15 AM] nik Daffyd: I think your intentions are valid, however the
methodology may not be
[09:15 AM] Bobkoe Nirvana: I think that this ID work is going a bit much
[09:15 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: Is it working through the HUD?
[09:15 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: I think that if we put the information in context,
it can be highly useful.
[09:15 AM] Samantha Lowell: OUr networking in the past two years has truly
enhanced our visability and our viability as an in world service organization.
When the athena initiative started, I don't think even we hopedIt seems to be
limited in use for detection of suspected griefer altsgriefer alts.
[09:15 AM] Kalel Venkman: No, it doesn't go through the HUD.
[09:15 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: Oh OK
[09:15 AM] Samantha Lowell: Sorry-I appended the wrong comment
[09:15 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: That assumes the ability to put it all in context.
No one is that perfect. Not even Sherlock Holmes.
[09:15 AM] Vagabond Carter: I have a suggestion....
[09:15 AM] Kalel Venkman: The HUD calls our server, and the server does the
query on the back end.
[09:16 AM] Samantha Lowell: Anyway, if we limit its use to sspected griefer
alts, we should be okay, but it's potentially problematic.
[09:16 AM] Kalel Venkman: That's why nobody needed a new HUD to get this
feature.
[09:16 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: For example, if the system stated that Huriah
Thespain was my alt, I think we would all be reasonable people and not jump to
assumptions. But we would learn that we're in the same geolocation. Which can
help finding a RL ID.
[09:16 AM] Vagabond Carter waits
[09:16 AM] Bobkoe Nirvana: when do we get OMAC's flying around?
[09:16 AM] Kalel Venkman: I agree, Shayera. You'll note that the system says
"POSSIBLE alts". It's not a confirmation, and reliability isn't 100%, but it's
not zero either.
[09:17 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Soon . . . so be very afraid . . .
[09:17 AM] Kalel Venkman: The comment about CDS was a good one.
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[09:20 AM] Vagabond Carter: part of the objection has had to do with diclosiour
etc, the system is a good referance, a clue, as it were. can we place it with our
other clues only, in B-wiki?
[09:20 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: And Tony has been waiting for awhile here
[09:20 AM] Samantha Lowell: If we're careful, it might have selective uses.
[09:20 AM] Kalel Venkman: No - we just have to use the same care we take with
all Brainiac output.
[09:20 AM] Emiley Tomsen: The PD database is out-world like ours isn't it?
[09:21 AM] Kara Timtam: "Disclosure" applies to RL name, information, etc. This
system does not touch any of that.
[09:21 AM] Kalel Venkman: We do not use it in public where the output can be
overheard by civilians, and that's by policy already.
[09:21 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: The issue there would be how to tie the PD
database to the wiki in a usable format. I think that would be tough. We'd have a
large stream of data there of hundreds of thousands of names.
[09:21 AM] Kalel Venkman: And Kara's right, this does not cover any personal
data.
[09:21 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: It would be tough to observe useful output.
[09:22 AM] Kalel Venkman: To talk to Brainiac in private, prefix your Brainiac
command with /7777, and it will speak only to you.
[09:22 AM] Bobkoe Nirvana: it might be personal to some if it shows some alts
under their names..
[09:22 AM] Emiley Tomsen: Ok, that was the other issue. Some are concerned it
would reveal our private alts.
[09:22 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: A point there is the good people we won't be
looking up in the system.
[09:23 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: I have no reason to B ID random Joe Citizen.
[09:23 AM] Vagabond Carter: you sure on that mav, I've tested equipment with
known goods and bads
[09:23 AM] nik Daffyd: It does not only apply to RL information .. it applies to
SL as well..
[09:23 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Testing is one thing Tony, I'm speaking to field
use.
[09:24 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Okay, I have some serious problems with it on the
level of privacy. Not everyone who creates alts does so for bad purposees. Some
do it for privacy so they aren't bothered as they may be in the main alt. And I
dont' think we really have the right to be snooping into people's privancy if
there's no reason of even suspecting them of wrong doing. It's against all we say
we stand for and kind of makes us what some of our detactors claim us to be, even
if on the most minor of levels. If we're goign to keep this feature, it needs to
be set up so it's not so automatic. I dont' want to know who, say my fellow
Leaguers alts are unless they choose to tell me. Make it so it's not automatic
with the ID command--that you need to make the extra step to look it up, and
really it should be limited to alts of griefers or persons of interest. That's my
opinion on it, for the record.
[09:24 AM] Kalel Venkman: To a point, Nik. Chat, yes. Where you've been, no.
[09:24 AM] nik Daffyd: I dont think that ramdon collecton of information without
cause is appropriate
[09:24 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: My point is what need would I have to look up
individuals in B unless I'm listing them as a griefer.
[09:25 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Frankly, that is the prime purpose.
[09:25 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Then limit it to griefers only who have their alts
listed.
[09:25 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: See, now here's why thiings get interesting and
there needs to be flexibility there.
[09:25 AM] Vagabond Carter: that'be be a Lot of cross referencing BA
[09:25 AM] Emiley Tomsen: The problem with that is, the system would still have
to scan everyone even if it was only to find griefer's alts.
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[09:35 AM] Kalel Venkman: Fortunately, the League isn't "everyone".
[09:36 AM] Kalel Venkman: We're the firewall.
[09:36 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Even so, that does't mean I want everyone to know
everythign about me. I have areas of my life that I keep private. Knowing an alt
of mine could possibly reval those areas, and that's an invasion of privacy.
[09:36 AM] nik Daffyd: if the search doesn't point as a griefer, what is the
purpose of exposing innocent people
[09:36 AM] Vagabond Carter: What ever happened to our doing reserch and letting
LL do the IP /machine code traces...
[09:37 AM] Kara Timtam: No innocent people will get exposed, nik/.
[09:37 AM] Kalel Venkman: This IS our research. LL doesn't know to do the IP and
machine hash traces unless we tell them.
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[09:45 AM] Kara Timtam: Meanwhile... we dont' care about your cybering personae.
We really don't. You can do whomever or whatever you want, as long as you're not
crashing sims.
[09:45 AM] Zania Turner: It's the PD's system, so we can't control how they go
about gathering the information. Mav's a member, so he can try to help make sure
they're on the up and up, but we have no control over it outside of being able to
tap in and tie it into the Brainiac commands
[09:46 AM] Kara Timtam: Thank you Zania.
[09:46 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Okay, I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree. If I
dont' want others knowing who my alts are, and I'm not using themm for wrong
doing, no one esle has any business knowing. And this exposes my privancy if any
of my alts get in the system. Same for anyone else. It'sprivate information
beging gathered without consent. And that's morally wrong, even if itslips by the
TOS. I'm sorry, but I feel very strongly about this. I dont' want to see other
people's atls appear if for any reason I shuld Id them for anythign other than
looking up a griefer.
[09:46 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Personally, here's what I'm reading into folks.
And I'm going to be blunt here because it seems there is a bit of beating around
the bush taking place. People may or may not have alts they use for certain
activities on the grid. Perhaps ones for SL relationships or other activities.
They're worried that those alts may make the team members think poorly on one
another. My response there is to simply trust the team here.
[09:47 AM] Maverick Grunfeld: Look beyond just yourself and look at the greater
good and what our job is here.
[09:47 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: Well said.
[09:47 AM] Kalel Venkman: We've sworn an oath to keep each other's secrets.
[09:47 AM] Kalel Venkman: And to protect the grid.
[09:47 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: Sometimes the needs of the one do outweight the
needs of the many.
[09:47 AM] Zania Turner: Agreed, and if my alt does show up in the system, I
have no problems with people knowing who it is. Billi knows my alt
[09:47 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: And this is why I may have my reservations about
this situation - but you are *family* to me.
[09:47 AM] nik Daffyd: doing a good job using questionable methods makes us no
better than the bad guys
[09:47 AM] Zania Turner: Agreed, and if my alt does show up in the system, I
have no problems with people knowing who it is. Billi knows my alt
[09:47 AM] Jeremiah Pintens: And this is why I may have my reservations about
this situation - but you are *family* to me.
[09:47 AM] nik Daffyd: doing a good job using questionable methods makes us no
better than the bad guys
[09:47 AM] Remote Brainiac Access (IM): Jeremiah Pintens
(d00359d4-f9d6-4a79-a136-14496a888db1)
Roles: JLU Full Member, JLU Member - All Ranks
Possible Alts: Cthulhu Mandrake, Jeremiah, Kohaku, Kohaku Owatatsumi,
Tatyana Vayandar
Articles: 2583, 2661, 2662, 4479
Article #2583, 2008-02-17 23:47:49 by Kalel Venkman
Wingbrother of Oki Korobase.
Article #2661, 2008-03-09 09:18:44 by Kalel Venkman
Joined the League on this date in the Watchtower at Kismat.
Article #2662, 2008-03-09 09:18:44 by Kalel Venkman
Joined the League on this date in the Watchtower at Kismat.
Article #4479, 2010-02-07 21:38:03 by Kalel Venkman
Rejoined the League on this date. And welcome back.
[09:47 AM] Brainiac intones (IM): Jeremiah Pintens
(d00359d4-f9d6-4a79-a136-14496a888db1)
Roles: JLU Full Member, JLU Member - All Ranks
Possible Alts: Cthulhu Mandrake, Jeremiah, Kohaku, Kohaku Owatatsumi,
Tatyana Vayandar
Articles: 2583, 2661, 2662, 4479
Article #2583, 2008-02-17 23:47:49 by Kalel Venkman
Wingbrother of Oki Korobase.
Article #2661, 2008-03-09 09:18:44 by Kalel Venkman
Joined the League on this date in the Watchtower at Kismat.
Article #2662, 2008-03-09 09:18:44 by Kalel Venkman
Joined the League on this date in the Watchtower at Kismat.
Article #4479, 2010-02-07 21:38:03 by Kalel Venkman
Rejoined the League on this date. And welcome back.
[09:48 AM] Zania Turner: The reason why I don't have a problem is because I
trust all of you
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[10:22 AM] Kara Timtam: I don't know about you but I have other things to do
with my day.
[10:22 AM] BilliAnn Bravin: If a person doesnt want certain information
available to those they haven't told, and iwe make it available, how is that not
violting their rights?
[10:22 AM] Melanippe Karas: Emiley's proposed a reasonable workaround.
[10:22 AM] Kalel Venkman: We are the Justice League. I can't think of anybody or
any group who can be trusted more with the information.
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