26th Aug 2011, JLU ordered to stop using their spyware!
[16:46] Kara Timtam via comm: Kara Timtam | Justice Island <63,160,29> | 2011-08-26 4:30pm | Brainiac is hacked again, but will that stop us? Watch public areas for trouble please. - c11f46c08802522bcc7f50b59f3e186f
[16:47] Kara Timtam: Okay. We are not allowed to use our databases for inworld investigations anymore.
[16:48] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: They may have robbed us of this tool but the LEAGUE survives.
[16:48] Emiley Tomsen: We don't scan IPs though.
[16:48] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: That is true, and we never did.
[16:48] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: Kal will write a note card on the exact orders from LL.
[16:49] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: The League has not been shut down
[16:49] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: Hold on to that.
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Kalel Venkman: Oh, also, before we wrap up here, I wanted to say that the chances of them actually getting another copy of the BWiki are slim to none at this point. The first time was because we didn't take much trouble about hiding the presence of the site from the world and relied on a simple password check, which they managed to bypass.
Kalel Venkman: That bug has been fixed long ago.
Kalel Venkman: Years.
Kalel Venkman: The second time was when I bypassed our usual protocols and gave an infiltrator access to it. And again, we've changed our admissions policies and upgraded our procedures to the point where this too is not likely to happen a second time.
Kalel Venkman: The last thing they can try is to hack our server itself, and we've already caught them trying this - and failing. They were trying to exploit a bug in our web sites that we patched two years ago.
Maverick Grunfeld: It is possible to happen, but would require a 1. long standing resident involved and aroudn league members and 2. bad references from people around the table.
ZenMondo Wormser: I just have to say "Pride goeth before the fall" but I think we are more secrure these days.
Maverick Grunfeld: So, as always, before giving somebody a blessing here, make sure you've known them well for a very long time.
Vagabond Carter: right
Kalel Venkman: So stay alert, but on the other hand, don't drink the Kool-Aid. Tux has been bragging about how he had a mole in the League for over a year now, and if he actually had one, he'd have acted on information he uncovered that way, and all we've seen from him is guesswork based on a 1-3/4 year old partial copy of our wiki.
Kalel Venkman: So he's got nothing, and we know it.
Saturday 3 September 2011
Thursday 1 September 2011
Wednesday 31 August 2011
Wait, it reveals the IP?
Millay Freschi had attempted to contact Kalel about her concerns regarding alt detection, via notecard. The permissions of the notecard made it unreadable, and Kalel had asked me to get hold of Millay if possible, since she is on my friends list.
Below is the conversation I had with her on October 30, 2010.
--Emiley Tomsen 13:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Main points from the chat:
Millay does not want any alt-detection system used on any land she controls or works with, period.
Millay is going to petition Linden Labs to make alt detection a TOS violation.
[05:17:21] Emiley Tomsen: Hello Millay, Kalel told me you had tried
to get in touch with him about our alt detection system, but the
notecard you sent wasn't readable due to the permissions. Did you
recieve his message on that?
[05:21:50] millay Freschi: yes...i did receive a message that he
wasn't able to open that card
[05:22:20] millay Freschi: mostly i just want everyone who is using
that to know that I do NOT under any circumstance want that used on a
four bridges sim
[05:23:10] millay Freschi: i don't mean to sound disrespectful but i
feel that is in total violation of privacy. it's something i'm
intending to protest with linden
[05:24:04] Emiley Tomsen: Was Kalel able to get to talk to you
regarding your concerns?
[05:24:19] millay Freschi: no...i sent an IM but he must have been busy.
[05:25:01] millay Freschi: i know that some of our organizations work
with JLU and i just want to make sure that even in their workl for the
other orgs, those things are not permitted on 4B
[05:26:03] Emiley Tomsen: I can also answer questions you have on the
system, and I can also assure you that this is not meant to violate
anyone's privacy. We've been hearing some people spread rumours about
how they think the system reveals RL info, or lets us hack bank
accounts or other misinformation.
[05:26:27] millay Freschi: does it reveal the IP?
[05:26:45] Emiley Tomsen: Yes, but so do all websites.
[05:27:12] millay Freschi: yes i understand that. i really do but i
can't allow those on 4B.
[05:27:18] millay Freschi: i just can't
[05:27:58] millay Freschi: i think that there may be a time and a
place for them though frankly i can't imagine it my own self but i
worry about the privacy issues and what we're giving up by allowing
these sorts of things
Below is the conversation I had with her on October 30, 2010.
--Emiley Tomsen 13:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Main points from the chat:
Millay does not want any alt-detection system used on any land she controls or works with, period.
Millay is going to petition Linden Labs to make alt detection a TOS violation.
[05:17:21] Emiley Tomsen: Hello Millay, Kalel told me you had tried
to get in touch with him about our alt detection system, but the
notecard you sent wasn't readable due to the permissions. Did you
recieve his message on that?
[05:21:50] millay Freschi: yes...i did receive a message that he
wasn't able to open that card
[05:22:20] millay Freschi: mostly i just want everyone who is using
that to know that I do NOT under any circumstance want that used on a
four bridges sim
[05:23:10] millay Freschi: i don't mean to sound disrespectful but i
feel that is in total violation of privacy. it's something i'm
intending to protest with linden
[05:24:04] Emiley Tomsen: Was Kalel able to get to talk to you
regarding your concerns?
[05:24:19] millay Freschi: no...i sent an IM but he must have been busy.
[05:25:01] millay Freschi: i know that some of our organizations work
with JLU and i just want to make sure that even in their workl for the
other orgs, those things are not permitted on 4B
[05:26:03] Emiley Tomsen: I can also answer questions you have on the
system, and I can also assure you that this is not meant to violate
anyone's privacy. We've been hearing some people spread rumours about
how they think the system reveals RL info, or lets us hack bank
accounts or other misinformation.
[05:26:27] millay Freschi: does it reveal the IP?
[05:26:45] Emiley Tomsen: Yes, but so do all websites.
[05:27:12] millay Freschi: yes i understand that. i really do but i
can't allow those on 4B.
[05:27:18] millay Freschi: i just can't
[05:27:58] millay Freschi: i think that there may be a time and a
place for them though frankly i can't imagine it my own self but i
worry about the privacy issues and what we're giving up by allowing
these sorts of things
JLU not concerned about another Wiki leak
JLU are not concerned about another Wiki leak.
[08:41:36] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The big news this morning is that Nicholas Mafia has broken into somebody's system - they haven't said who yet - and they've downloaded 80,000+ pages of something they're not supposed to have.
[08:41:48] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): oh dear lord
[08:41:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We have no idea who the victim is yet.
[08:41:57] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I wonder if it's us again
[08:42:00] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): you checked the logs, yes?
[08:42:08] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We know it's not US, because we don't have 80,000 pages of anything.
[08:42:11] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Ah
[08:42:13] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I checked the logs, yes.
[08:42:19] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Yes, Kalel has been monitoring our logs anyway, just in case they were exaggerating
[08:42:39] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Well, it seems its only a matter of time until Atlas does something illegal enough to merit attention of the bar association.
[08:42:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And apart from my own backup operations, there's nothing in there to suggest that anybody who isn't supposed to be there has been downloading mass quantities of anything.
[08:43:08] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Law practice is a position of high public trust, Commiting crimes while in the profession is the height of hypocrisy
[08:44:08] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): *supposedly*, LulzSec is disbanding. Oh, yeah, I believe that one...NOT.
[08:44:43] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Translation: One of us got arrested: We're going to lay low a bit
[08:45:04] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): LulzSec broke into the Arizona Department of Public Safety and stole several emails. They said they were suspending activities but I didn't hear they were disbanding.
[08:45:20] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): here is a story about it LulzSec Calls it Quits
[08:45:29] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): said they were disbanding, they "reached the end of their 50-day cruise"
[08:45:38] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And some agoraphobic (and predictably antisocial) 19 year old got arrested.
[08:45:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Uh huh.
[08:46:06] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): a haxx04 who CLAIMS he has "Aspergers".
[08:46:10] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): The FBI is cooperating with Scotland Yard (which itself is taking a hard line towards cyber crime)
[08:46:13] Bobkoe Nirvana: saw your note on email..just got in..forgive me for wearing wrong costume today
[08:46:13] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Was there an arrest, really?
[08:46:19] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): You don't have Aspergers, you're just a dick.
[08:46:22] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): THAT could be why Tux is laying low
[08:47:01] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Okay we were talking about Nicholas Mafia, right?
[08:47:03] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I kind of doubt it - Tux is in another country, and believes himself untouchable.
[08:47:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Sort of both, but in particular Nicholas Mafia.
[08:47:29] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Thanks for pulling us back on topic, Hal.
[08:47:34] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): You're welcome
[08:47:35] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Except that several arrests have taken place in England: three of whom were Anons
[08:47:57] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And Scotland Yard is going after cybr criminals with some initiative, it seems.
[08:48:18] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And the lkaw, it seems, is being amended to reflect a harder line
[08:48:22] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): *aw
[08:48:27] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): *law (pickles)
[08:48:31] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): So as far as what Nicholas Mafia is doing, all we can do is wait along with the rest of the community to see what they're actually doing.
[08:49:56] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We know that Atlas Saintlouis closely involved with Nicholas Mafia, and we have some conflicting information as to whether he was summarily responsible for their financial resources.
[08:50:33] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Financial resources. I've heard of those
[08:50:34] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We have stayed away from sending spies into the Nicholas mafia because it's a rat's nest of roleplay and ambiguous situations.
[08:50:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It would be hard to be effective there.
[08:50:55] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Well, rival mafia groups aew attacking each other
[08:51:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've been seeing that a lot - it's not Hacktivism, it's rival gangs attacking one another.
[08:51:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And trying to dress it up in a wig and a dress.
[08:51:37] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Exactly. And Hacktivism is just lulz with a new name.
[08:51:50] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Their own boards admit that
[08:52:02] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Is that so, Shay?
[08:52:06] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Interesting.
[08:52:21] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Can you find a URL that shows a quote?
[08:52:23] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): So I read, but accounts-predictably-conflict
[08:52:45] Kohaku Owatatsumi: YMMV
[08:53:05] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): As usual with anarchic groups, they do not act as one - given all possible courses of action, they simply choose all of them simultaneously.
[08:53:36] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A hard learned lesson from our battles with the Patriotic Nigras.
[08:53:37] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And they clearly DO have a leadership structure of sorts, one that mocks the canon fodder who buy into the whole anonymous myth
[08:54:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've unfortunately got not a lot we can do for the moment.
[08:54:30] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've reported it to the FBI and we hope they're paying attention, but there's no way to tell.
[08:54:48] Bobkoe Nirvana: wow.
[08:54:57] Bobkoe Nirvana: never know what to expect in second life
[08:56:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A third party by the name of Blindstarebodine Braham is trying to lure Tux into divulging information to a friend of his.
[08:56:22] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Or rather, via a friend of his.
[08:56:25] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Hooboy
[08:56:33] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): That name is familiar
[08:56:40] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Yup-internicene rivalry
[08:56:44] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And so far, this person has gotten some information - not a lot very useful, but there are tidbits.
[08:57:29] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Ballers City person. I think I talked to him when I was trying to get us into that sim for patrolling.
[08:58:26] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Yup, March of 2010
[08:59:16] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Goes hand in hand with my own theory that hard core serial griefers are usually compensating for some real life issue or pathology
[08:59:26] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): But it's indicative of the quality of the information being extracted.
[08:59:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, Ballers City.
[08:59:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He has a very very high regard for the League, by the way.
[08:59:55] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Good
[09:00:08] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): He does. He contacted me first when I was scouting the place.
[09:00:15] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I only go to Ballers Ciy in an alt-it's become Griefer central (tm)
[09:00:19] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He also furnished us with the names of a couple of Tux alts.
[09:00:22] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): prism is simply a function that converges the images between the two lenses when you have trouble with focal convergence.
[09:00:56] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): I have prism incorporated in my own prescription because of that. It's not uncommon.
[09:01:11] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, but in his case it's dramatic and severe.
[09:01:26] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): ANyway, I wonder if Tux is laying low because he may have had some link to one of those hackers arrested in the UK and is trying to lay low? Or worse: did his wife catch on?
[09:01:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I don't think his wife cares at all, to be frank.
[09:01:53] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Could be.
[09:02:14] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): But consider this: many teen hackers and some adults do what they do without the knowedge of their families.
[09:02:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anyway, we're getting information from that quarter, but it's very slow going, and for obvious reasons.
[09:02:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We should know more in two or three weeks - maybe enough to give us what we need to get Tux the attention from the authorities he probably needs.
[09:03:38] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I hope so. Maybe he's had a brush with the authorities already. That's my personal theory. It would explain his sudden comparatrive quietness
[09:04:06] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Bodine suggests that there's a good chance that Tux is involved in this big breakin somehow.
[09:04:15] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): No surprise.
[09:04:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): His alts apparently have some sort of ties to Nicholas Mafia.
[09:04:58] Bobkoe Nirvana: too bizarre
[09:05:14] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): If he suddenly had his machines confiscated by police forensic agents, I would cry bitter and salty tears of sympathy
[09:05:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I know I shouldn't be surprised that all these thugs all know each other and that this whole mess is intertwined like a plateful of garden snakes.
[09:05:30] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
[08:41:36] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The big news this morning is that Nicholas Mafia has broken into somebody's system - they haven't said who yet - and they've downloaded 80,000+ pages of something they're not supposed to have.
[08:41:48] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): oh dear lord
[08:41:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We have no idea who the victim is yet.
[08:41:57] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I wonder if it's us again
[08:42:00] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): you checked the logs, yes?
[08:42:08] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We know it's not US, because we don't have 80,000 pages of anything.
[08:42:11] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Ah
[08:42:13] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I checked the logs, yes.
[08:42:19] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Yes, Kalel has been monitoring our logs anyway, just in case they were exaggerating
[08:42:39] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Well, it seems its only a matter of time until Atlas does something illegal enough to merit attention of the bar association.
[08:42:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And apart from my own backup operations, there's nothing in there to suggest that anybody who isn't supposed to be there has been downloading mass quantities of anything.
[08:43:08] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Law practice is a position of high public trust, Commiting crimes while in the profession is the height of hypocrisy
[08:44:08] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): *supposedly*, LulzSec is disbanding. Oh, yeah, I believe that one...NOT.
[08:44:43] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Translation: One of us got arrested: We're going to lay low a bit
[08:45:04] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): LulzSec broke into the Arizona Department of Public Safety and stole several emails. They said they were suspending activities but I didn't hear they were disbanding.
[08:45:20] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): here is a story about it LulzSec Calls it Quits
[08:45:29] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): said they were disbanding, they "reached the end of their 50-day cruise"
[08:45:38] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And some agoraphobic (and predictably antisocial) 19 year old got arrested.
[08:45:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Uh huh.
[08:46:06] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): a haxx04 who CLAIMS he has "Aspergers".
[08:46:10] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): The FBI is cooperating with Scotland Yard (which itself is taking a hard line towards cyber crime)
[08:46:13] Bobkoe Nirvana: saw your note on email..just got in..forgive me for wearing wrong costume today
[08:46:13] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Was there an arrest, really?
[08:46:19] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): You don't have Aspergers, you're just a dick.
[08:46:22] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): THAT could be why Tux is laying low
[08:47:01] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Okay we were talking about Nicholas Mafia, right?
[08:47:03] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I kind of doubt it - Tux is in another country, and believes himself untouchable.
[08:47:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Sort of both, but in particular Nicholas Mafia.
[08:47:29] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Thanks for pulling us back on topic, Hal.
[08:47:34] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): You're welcome
[08:47:35] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Except that several arrests have taken place in England: three of whom were Anons
[08:47:57] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And Scotland Yard is going after cybr criminals with some initiative, it seems.
[08:48:18] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And the lkaw, it seems, is being amended to reflect a harder line
[08:48:22] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): *aw
[08:48:27] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): *law (pickles)
[08:48:31] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): So as far as what Nicholas Mafia is doing, all we can do is wait along with the rest of the community to see what they're actually doing.
[08:49:56] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We know that Atlas Saintlouis closely involved with Nicholas Mafia, and we have some conflicting information as to whether he was summarily responsible for their financial resources.
[08:50:33] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Financial resources. I've heard of those
[08:50:34] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We have stayed away from sending spies into the Nicholas mafia because it's a rat's nest of roleplay and ambiguous situations.
[08:50:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It would be hard to be effective there.
[08:50:55] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Well, rival mafia groups aew attacking each other
[08:51:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've been seeing that a lot - it's not Hacktivism, it's rival gangs attacking one another.
[08:51:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And trying to dress it up in a wig and a dress.
[08:51:37] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Exactly. And Hacktivism is just lulz with a new name.
[08:51:50] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Their own boards admit that
[08:52:02] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Is that so, Shay?
[08:52:06] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Interesting.
[08:52:21] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Can you find a URL that shows a quote?
[08:52:23] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): So I read, but accounts-predictably-conflict
[08:52:45] Kohaku Owatatsumi: YMMV
[08:53:05] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): As usual with anarchic groups, they do not act as one - given all possible courses of action, they simply choose all of them simultaneously.
[08:53:36] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A hard learned lesson from our battles with the Patriotic Nigras.
[08:53:37] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And they clearly DO have a leadership structure of sorts, one that mocks the canon fodder who buy into the whole anonymous myth
[08:54:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've unfortunately got not a lot we can do for the moment.
[08:54:30] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've reported it to the FBI and we hope they're paying attention, but there's no way to tell.
[08:54:48] Bobkoe Nirvana: wow.
[08:54:57] Bobkoe Nirvana: never know what to expect in second life
[08:56:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A third party by the name of Blindstarebodine Braham is trying to lure Tux into divulging information to a friend of his.
[08:56:22] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Or rather, via a friend of his.
[08:56:25] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Hooboy
[08:56:33] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): That name is familiar
[08:56:40] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Yup-internicene rivalry
[08:56:44] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And so far, this person has gotten some information - not a lot very useful, but there are tidbits.
[08:57:29] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Ballers City person. I think I talked to him when I was trying to get us into that sim for patrolling.
[08:58:26] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Yup, March of 2010
[08:59:16] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Goes hand in hand with my own theory that hard core serial griefers are usually compensating for some real life issue or pathology
[08:59:26] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): But it's indicative of the quality of the information being extracted.
[08:59:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, Ballers City.
[08:59:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He has a very very high regard for the League, by the way.
[08:59:55] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Good
[09:00:08] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): He does. He contacted me first when I was scouting the place.
[09:00:15] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I only go to Ballers Ciy in an alt-it's become Griefer central (tm)
[09:00:19] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He also furnished us with the names of a couple of Tux alts.
[09:00:22] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): prism is simply a function that converges the images between the two lenses when you have trouble with focal convergence.
[09:00:56] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): I have prism incorporated in my own prescription because of that. It's not uncommon.
[09:01:11] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, but in his case it's dramatic and severe.
[09:01:26] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): ANyway, I wonder if Tux is laying low because he may have had some link to one of those hackers arrested in the UK and is trying to lay low? Or worse: did his wife catch on?
[09:01:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I don't think his wife cares at all, to be frank.
[09:01:53] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Could be.
[09:02:14] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): But consider this: many teen hackers and some adults do what they do without the knowedge of their families.
[09:02:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anyway, we're getting information from that quarter, but it's very slow going, and for obvious reasons.
[09:02:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We should know more in two or three weeks - maybe enough to give us what we need to get Tux the attention from the authorities he probably needs.
[09:03:38] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I hope so. Maybe he's had a brush with the authorities already. That's my personal theory. It would explain his sudden comparatrive quietness
[09:04:06] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Bodine suggests that there's a good chance that Tux is involved in this big breakin somehow.
[09:04:15] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): No surprise.
[09:04:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): His alts apparently have some sort of ties to Nicholas Mafia.
[09:04:58] Bobkoe Nirvana: too bizarre
[09:05:14] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): If he suddenly had his machines confiscated by police forensic agents, I would cry bitter and salty tears of sympathy
[09:05:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I know I shouldn't be surprised that all these thugs all know each other and that this whole mess is intertwined like a plateful of garden snakes.
[09:05:30] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
A family friend becomes a Linden
[2011-05-08 18:12:57] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They certainly don't allow people in the server rooms.
[2011-05-08 18:13:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The only thing I can think of is the upcoming SLCC, Second Life what is it, Citizen's Convention?
[2011-05-08 18:13:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Last year they hosted a griefer hospitality suite, because a few of them are alcoholics.
[2011-05-08 18:14:07] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): ommunity convention [2011-05-08 18:14:14] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): *community
[2011-05-08 18:14:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And they defaced the Linden Lab building on Battery Street.
[2011-05-08 18:14:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): However, Linden Lab has been alerted that they might do this again this year, thanks to a connection Kara and I have.
[2011-05-08 18:15:18] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): I think they would have thought of it anyway, honestly.
[2011-05-08 18:15:24] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Hm, I wonder. How many of us Leaguers go onto the Beta Grid and patrol?
[2011-05-08 18:15:28] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): Hopefully this year if they pull the stunt, LL actually calls the cops instead of allowing them to deface private property
[2011-05-08 18:16:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Unfortunately getting information in and out of the Woodbury clan is difficult these days, due to the fact that they do almost everything in Skype now.
[2011-05-08 18:16:56] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Sounds like you need an Outsider. ;)
[2011-05-08 18:17:20] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Maybe so, Kami
[2011-05-08 18:18:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I think that's about it, actually.
[2011-05-08 18:18:43] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): But let us stop for a moment and question the legality of this - Hi, Tsu - before we do anything. Would it be legal for someone to go in and expose them, then spread said ifnormation all around Second Life? Even if it is for a good cause?
[2011-05-08 18:18:53] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Brilliant timing, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:19:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I've been speaking with Atlwolf Blabbermouth about the problem he was having with the Phantom Zone, and it turns out that he couldn't perform a local override of a global ban placed by the League.
[2011-05-08 18:19:10] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): *Ears perk*
[2011-05-08 18:19:16] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Atlwolf,huh? LOL.
[2011-05-08 18:19:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh, no, it wouldn't be ToS compliant to distribute that information in-world.
[2011-05-08 18:19:39] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Kami, no. Serious TOS violation, called "disclosure".
[2011-05-08 18:19:47] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): What about warning a Lidnen Lab employee about a potential attack?
[2011-05-08 18:19:57] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Done that, but offine.
[2011-05-08 18:19:59] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): offline
[2011-05-08 18:20:16] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That would be fine, and we've already told our Linden on the inside that this might happen.
[2011-05-08 18:20:34] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): do they even listen to us anymore?
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We may need to give him more details, if we can uncover any information about that kind of activity, though.
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Linden on the inside? *Ears and a single eyebrow perk*
[2011-05-08 18:21:01] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I heard some interesting rumors you might want to hear actually
[2011-05-08 18:21:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A friend of mine from a game company I used to work at was married about five years ago, and he became a Linden after that.
[2011-05-08 18:21:36] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Ah.
[2011-05-08 18:21:38] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, I think we'd be interested, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:21:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): What have you got?
[2011-05-08 18:21:53] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Though yearn my curiosity does to know, this Linden's cover, I will not ask you to blw.
[2011-05-08 18:22:14] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Nobody who interacts with the grid in any useful way. But he works in the building.
[2011-05-08 18:22:41] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): Not sure how accurate this is, but Whispers keep floating to whitheeavens Intel department, on a mole in Linden labs, Kinda like a "Griefer linden" , and how linden lab is also trying to shot themselves in the foot to get out of possiable partner ships or contracts
[2011-05-08 18:23:35] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Any substantiating information supporting either of these?
[2011-05-08 18:23:50] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): the second yes
[2011-05-08 18:23:56] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I can go into further detail
[2011-05-08 18:23:58] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Oh well, there was Rodney, I thought he got laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:24:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He did. Go ahead, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:24:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): for the second, allot of recent "Moves" linden lab has made kinda makes sense on shotting themselves in the foot, examples would be, the Shot to the None profit Orgz,, land going up consistently
[2011-05-08 18:24:55] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): land prices*
[2011-05-08 18:25:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing that you couldn't attribute to sheer cluelessness, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:25:20] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): i think they are trying to push business away, to possiable hit a Contract/partner ship termination they may have with someone or something
[2011-05-08 18:25:52] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): but thats all I have for now, I 'm still digging info on it to see if any of it is true or not
[2011-05-08 18:26:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anything substantial, like a person who has access to actual information who said something?
[2011-05-08 18:26:18] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well slightly, a while back I had spoke to Teeple linden
[2011-05-08 18:26:32] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and He did mention a few things about contracts and stuff and the lab trying to get out of the deals/agreements
[2011-05-08 18:27:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): On the other hand, operating with the intent to underperform has legal ramifications, and severe ones.
[2011-05-08 18:27:37] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well frontier is doing it currently too actually
[2011-05-08 18:27:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They may not sell stock, but they do have a board, and shareholders.
[2011-05-08 18:27:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh. Frontier.
[2011-05-08 18:27:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The burnout.
[2011-05-08 18:27:53] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): they raised tv installation prices to 500dollars for installs, they are trying to get out of contract
[2011-05-08 18:28:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing Frontier has to say at this point is of any value, he's liable to say anything - remember that he was fired.
[2011-05-08 18:28:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Well - laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:28:30] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I trust teeple
[2011-05-08 18:28:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and I don't put my trust in people easily
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15-08-2011 Meeting:
GreenLantern Excelsior: I suggest we purge that statement out of our log in anticipation of the next security breach on the wiki
ZenMondo Wormser: anyway I am against tampering with logs just to cover our ass if something gets out. Does not seem the right thing to do
Kalel Venkman: And now for something completely different: September 18 is Kindness Day.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Agreed.
Siobhan McCallen: Better to just keep it from getting the hell broken into.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Well this will look great when it comes out in the Herald some day. Just saying...
Kalel Venkman: We never tamper with our logs for that reason. In fact, over the years I've said a lot of things on the record that I regret saying that were embarrassing to me personally.
Kalel Venkman: But we don't redact that information just because it might be embarrassing.
Siobhan McCallen: WE did nothing wrong here.
Kalel Venkman: And right now, we're in the right, and we know it.
Siobhan McCallen: What are we talking about hiding information for?
Kalel Venkman: Anyway, September 18, Kindness Day.
GreenLantern Excelsior: For next time the Bwiki is stolen
ZenMondo Wormser: Owning what you say is part of personal repsonsibility. Learning from misspeaking and changing your attitude when you are wrong is personal growth.
Siobhan McCallen: So what if it's stolen? WE'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
GreenLantern Excelsior: You're not seeing the point
Kalel Venkman: Here's what Zaira Gearbox said in her notecard:
Vagabond Carter: why, nothing wrong with that , we arnt quoting him
Kalel Venkman: A final reminder - that graph at http://kryptonradio.com/webalizer doesn't just show how much of a voice and how much reach and influence we currently have - it's an indicator of how much MORE influence we're going to have in the near future.
Siobhan McCallen: Griefer is not a series of acts. It is a state of mind. It is someone who refuses to use logic and evidence, and appeals to mob emotion and wild leaps of imagination.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We finally have a Linden talking to us again. If word gets out that it happened, they will shut up again.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We need to learn our lesson on this
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Hm?
Vagabond Carter: Soft isnt goernance though
Kohaku Owatatsumi: The Lindens that were on speaking terms with us before were all fired.
Kalel Venkman: He's referring to Soft Linden. No, he's not.
Vagabond Carter: all he does id bug work
GreenLantern Excelsior: He's a Linden. That's what counts
Vagabond Carter: is
Kalel Venkman: But he has governance's ear, and he'll act on our behalf on software related exploits.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Ahh, a debugger *nods*
Kalel Venkman: So it's not the same as a general field agent, but we'll take what we can get.
Vagabond Carter: if we can show him what he needs to show them
Heidi Stiglitz: The concern is that it could cause trouble for the Lindens talking to us at that time
Siobhan McCallen: That's THEIR lookout.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Didn't Soft tell us why Tux was banned?
Kalel Venkman: I'm not concerned about another wiki theft. The probability of that happening now is very low now that the Wrong Hands is fully exposed as thieves and griefers, and they have no bully pulpit anymore.
Kalel Venkman: They just have a griefer blog.
Kalel Venkman: So what?
Kalel Venkman: He told us that the people responsible for the spyware system were banned.
[2011-05-08 18:13:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The only thing I can think of is the upcoming SLCC, Second Life what is it, Citizen's Convention?
[2011-05-08 18:13:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Last year they hosted a griefer hospitality suite, because a few of them are alcoholics.
[2011-05-08 18:14:07] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): ommunity convention [2011-05-08 18:14:14] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): *community
[2011-05-08 18:14:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And they defaced the Linden Lab building on Battery Street.
[2011-05-08 18:14:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): However, Linden Lab has been alerted that they might do this again this year, thanks to a connection Kara and I have.
[2011-05-08 18:15:18] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): I think they would have thought of it anyway, honestly.
[2011-05-08 18:15:24] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Hm, I wonder. How many of us Leaguers go onto the Beta Grid and patrol?
[2011-05-08 18:15:28] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): Hopefully this year if they pull the stunt, LL actually calls the cops instead of allowing them to deface private property
[2011-05-08 18:16:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Unfortunately getting information in and out of the Woodbury clan is difficult these days, due to the fact that they do almost everything in Skype now.
[2011-05-08 18:16:56] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Sounds like you need an Outsider. ;)
[2011-05-08 18:17:20] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Maybe so, Kami
[2011-05-08 18:18:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I think that's about it, actually.
[2011-05-08 18:18:43] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): But let us stop for a moment and question the legality of this - Hi, Tsu - before we do anything. Would it be legal for someone to go in and expose them, then spread said ifnormation all around Second Life? Even if it is for a good cause?
[2011-05-08 18:18:53] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Brilliant timing, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:19:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I've been speaking with Atlwolf Blabbermouth about the problem he was having with the Phantom Zone, and it turns out that he couldn't perform a local override of a global ban placed by the League.
[2011-05-08 18:19:10] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): *Ears perk*
[2011-05-08 18:19:16] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Atlwolf,huh? LOL.
[2011-05-08 18:19:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh, no, it wouldn't be ToS compliant to distribute that information in-world.
[2011-05-08 18:19:39] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Kami, no. Serious TOS violation, called "disclosure".
[2011-05-08 18:19:47] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): What about warning a Lidnen Lab employee about a potential attack?
[2011-05-08 18:19:57] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Done that, but offine.
[2011-05-08 18:19:59] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): offline
[2011-05-08 18:20:16] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That would be fine, and we've already told our Linden on the inside that this might happen.
[2011-05-08 18:20:34] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): do they even listen to us anymore?
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We may need to give him more details, if we can uncover any information about that kind of activity, though.
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Linden on the inside? *Ears and a single eyebrow perk*
[2011-05-08 18:21:01] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I heard some interesting rumors you might want to hear actually
[2011-05-08 18:21:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A friend of mine from a game company I used to work at was married about five years ago, and he became a Linden after that.
[2011-05-08 18:21:36] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Ah.
[2011-05-08 18:21:38] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, I think we'd be interested, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:21:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): What have you got?
[2011-05-08 18:21:53] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Though yearn my curiosity does to know, this Linden's cover, I will not ask you to blw.
[2011-05-08 18:22:14] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Nobody who interacts with the grid in any useful way. But he works in the building.
[2011-05-08 18:22:41] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): Not sure how accurate this is, but Whispers keep floating to whitheeavens Intel department, on a mole in Linden labs, Kinda like a "Griefer linden" , and how linden lab is also trying to shot themselves in the foot to get out of possiable partner ships or contracts
[2011-05-08 18:23:35] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Any substantiating information supporting either of these?
[2011-05-08 18:23:50] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): the second yes
[2011-05-08 18:23:56] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I can go into further detail
[2011-05-08 18:23:58] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Oh well, there was Rodney, I thought he got laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:24:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He did. Go ahead, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:24:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): for the second, allot of recent "Moves" linden lab has made kinda makes sense on shotting themselves in the foot, examples would be, the Shot to the None profit Orgz,, land going up consistently
[2011-05-08 18:24:55] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): land prices*
[2011-05-08 18:25:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing that you couldn't attribute to sheer cluelessness, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:25:20] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): i think they are trying to push business away, to possiable hit a Contract/partner ship termination they may have with someone or something
[2011-05-08 18:25:52] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): but thats all I have for now, I 'm still digging info on it to see if any of it is true or not
[2011-05-08 18:26:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anything substantial, like a person who has access to actual information who said something?
[2011-05-08 18:26:18] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well slightly, a while back I had spoke to Teeple linden
[2011-05-08 18:26:32] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and He did mention a few things about contracts and stuff and the lab trying to get out of the deals/agreements
[2011-05-08 18:27:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): On the other hand, operating with the intent to underperform has legal ramifications, and severe ones.
[2011-05-08 18:27:37] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well frontier is doing it currently too actually
[2011-05-08 18:27:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They may not sell stock, but they do have a board, and shareholders.
[2011-05-08 18:27:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh. Frontier.
[2011-05-08 18:27:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The burnout.
[2011-05-08 18:27:53] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): they raised tv installation prices to 500dollars for installs, they are trying to get out of contract
[2011-05-08 18:28:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing Frontier has to say at this point is of any value, he's liable to say anything - remember that he was fired.
[2011-05-08 18:28:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Well - laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:28:30] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I trust teeple
[2011-05-08 18:28:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and I don't put my trust in people easily
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15-08-2011 Meeting:
GreenLantern Excelsior: I suggest we purge that statement out of our log in anticipation of the next security breach on the wiki
ZenMondo Wormser: anyway I am against tampering with logs just to cover our ass if something gets out. Does not seem the right thing to do
Kalel Venkman: And now for something completely different: September 18 is Kindness Day.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Agreed.
Siobhan McCallen: Better to just keep it from getting the hell broken into.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Well this will look great when it comes out in the Herald some day. Just saying...
Kalel Venkman: We never tamper with our logs for that reason. In fact, over the years I've said a lot of things on the record that I regret saying that were embarrassing to me personally.
Kalel Venkman: But we don't redact that information just because it might be embarrassing.
Siobhan McCallen: WE did nothing wrong here.
Kalel Venkman: And right now, we're in the right, and we know it.
Siobhan McCallen: What are we talking about hiding information for?
Kalel Venkman: Anyway, September 18, Kindness Day.
GreenLantern Excelsior: For next time the Bwiki is stolen
ZenMondo Wormser: Owning what you say is part of personal repsonsibility. Learning from misspeaking and changing your attitude when you are wrong is personal growth.
Siobhan McCallen: So what if it's stolen? WE'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
GreenLantern Excelsior: You're not seeing the point
Kalel Venkman: Here's what Zaira Gearbox said in her notecard:
Vagabond Carter: why, nothing wrong with that , we arnt quoting him
Kalel Venkman: A final reminder - that graph at http://kryptonradio.com/webalizer doesn't just show how much of a voice and how much reach and influence we currently have - it's an indicator of how much MORE influence we're going to have in the near future.
Siobhan McCallen: Griefer is not a series of acts. It is a state of mind. It is someone who refuses to use logic and evidence, and appeals to mob emotion and wild leaps of imagination.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We finally have a Linden talking to us again. If word gets out that it happened, they will shut up again.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We need to learn our lesson on this
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Hm?
Vagabond Carter: Soft isnt goernance though
Kohaku Owatatsumi: The Lindens that were on speaking terms with us before were all fired.
Kalel Venkman: He's referring to Soft Linden. No, he's not.
Vagabond Carter: all he does id bug work
GreenLantern Excelsior: He's a Linden. That's what counts
Vagabond Carter: is
Kalel Venkman: But he has governance's ear, and he'll act on our behalf on software related exploits.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Ahh, a debugger *nods*
Kalel Venkman: So it's not the same as a general field agent, but we'll take what we can get.
Vagabond Carter: if we can show him what he needs to show them
Heidi Stiglitz: The concern is that it could cause trouble for the Lindens talking to us at that time
Siobhan McCallen: That's THEIR lookout.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Didn't Soft tell us why Tux was banned?
Kalel Venkman: I'm not concerned about another wiki theft. The probability of that happening now is very low now that the Wrong Hands is fully exposed as thieves and griefers, and they have no bully pulpit anymore.
Kalel Venkman: They just have a griefer blog.
Kalel Venkman: So what?
Kalel Venkman: He told us that the people responsible for the spyware system were banned.
JLU can override land owners wishes through PhantomZone!
Meeting of July 3, 2011 evening
Tux Winkler engineers a hoax - what appears to be a fully functioning Phantom Zone node at Revolution, but isn't.
Seems the JLU can override a land owners wishes!
[18:08:53] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Look at this, wow. Good job, Hal.
[18:08:59] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Thank you
[18:09:44] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): This is fairly recent, actually.
[18:09:50] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): One more coming
[18:09:52] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): still faked
[18:09:56] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): At least within the last two months.
[18:10:20] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): But there's no Whitelist notecard in PZ, it
uses a database for that.
[18:10:30] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): copybotted...
[18:10:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Copybot can't copy scripts.
[18:10:43] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): last owner..
[18:10:49] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): hmm true
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[18:13:07] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): still useless if hes dumb
enough to turn it on trusting'
[18:13:10] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It happens to be the very latest beta.
[18:13:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That's a real one.
[18:14:01] PhantomZoneNode v0.5.14 BETA: Node added to network Kalel
Venkman/League of Heroes. Running.
[18:14:03] PhantomZoneNode v0.5.14 BETA: Warning: Node is not owned by land
owner, and cannot enforce bans. Make sure object is deeded to same group as
land, if applicable.
[18:14:05] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): the network iasnt though
[18:14:22] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): the hovertext is smoke and
mirrors
[18:14:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Interesting.
[18:15:04] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): This is an obvious forgery, because the 5.14
beta said 5.13 when we released it. It only said 5.14 on the prim, not the
floating text.
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[18:16:39] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Looks like they went to some
trouble to put scripts in there with the same name as ours uses. Tux asked me to
come to Revolution to look at something for him, and this was it.
[18:16:41] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): afka while
[18:16:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And again, it would be far easier to just get
a copy from somebody they knew.
[18:17:08] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): You know if it does have the scripts
running in it the real ones couldn;t a leage memeber turn them on and have it
kick everyone?
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[18:19:25] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): yeo , fake
[18:19:29] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They haven't got a network, therefore, their
node is not active.
[18:19:30] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): 'afk again
[18:19:33] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It's a forgery.
[18:20:31] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anyway, that's where we're at with this.
[18:20:32] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): well here is the thing. As a League Member
if it is a legitimate copy with additional scripts if they left ours in to seem
legit we CAN set up a network and turn it on with our League override.
[18:21:05] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Assuming the scripts are active.
[18:21:13] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): I just think it would be funny from a
pratical joke point of view.
[18:21:26] Kohaku Owatatsumi: Turn it on, ban them from their own estate
Tux Winkler engineers a hoax - what appears to be a fully functioning Phantom Zone node at Revolution, but isn't.
Seems the JLU can override a land owners wishes!
[18:08:53] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Look at this, wow. Good job, Hal.
[18:08:59] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Thank you
[18:09:44] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): This is fairly recent, actually.
[18:09:50] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): One more coming
[18:09:52] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): still faked
[18:09:56] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): At least within the last two months.
[18:10:20] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): But there's no Whitelist notecard in PZ, it
uses a database for that.
[18:10:30] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): copybotted...
[18:10:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Copybot can't copy scripts.
[18:10:43] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): last owner..
[18:10:49] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): hmm true
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[18:13:07] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): still useless if hes dumb
enough to turn it on trusting'
[18:13:10] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It happens to be the very latest beta.
[18:13:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That's a real one.
[18:14:01] PhantomZoneNode v0.5.14 BETA: Node added to network Kalel
Venkman/League of Heroes. Running.
[18:14:03] PhantomZoneNode v0.5.14 BETA: Warning: Node is not owned by land
owner, and cannot enforce bans. Make sure object is deeded to same group as
land, if applicable.
[18:14:05] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): the network iasnt though
[18:14:22] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): the hovertext is smoke and
mirrors
[18:14:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Interesting.
[18:15:04] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): This is an obvious forgery, because the 5.14
beta said 5.13 when we released it. It only said 5.14 on the prim, not the
floating text.
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[18:16:39] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Looks like they went to some
trouble to put scripts in there with the same name as ours uses. Tux asked me to
come to Revolution to look at something for him, and this was it.
[18:16:41] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): afka while
[18:16:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And again, it would be far easier to just get
a copy from somebody they knew.
[18:17:08] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): You know if it does have the scripts
running in it the real ones couldn;t a leage memeber turn them on and have it
kick everyone?
-----
[18:19:25] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): yeo , fake
[18:19:29] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They haven't got a network, therefore, their
node is not active.
[18:19:30] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): 'afk again
[18:19:33] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It's a forgery.
[18:20:31] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anyway, that's where we're at with this.
[18:20:32] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): well here is the thing. As a League Member
if it is a legitimate copy with additional scripts if they left ours in to seem
legit we CAN set up a network and turn it on with our League override.
[18:21:05] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Assuming the scripts are active.
[18:21:13] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): I just think it would be funny from a
pratical joke point of view.
[18:21:26] Kohaku Owatatsumi: Turn it on, ban them from their own estate
Saturday 27 August 2011
JLU & Pete Linden - Off the record
Another day, another leak.
Today we have parts of the wiki showing JLU speaking "Off the record" with a Linden, who wanted it to remain off the record...only for JLU to put it on their wiki. It is now very much ON the record. It is regarding the Alphaville Herald.
Chat transcript:-
Today we have parts of the wiki showing JLU speaking "Off the record" with a Linden, who wanted it to remain off the record...only for JLU to put it on their wiki. It is now very much ON the record. It is regarding the Alphaville Herald.
Chat transcript:-
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