[2011-05-08 18:12:57] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They certainly don't allow people in the server rooms.
[2011-05-08 18:13:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The only thing I can think of is the upcoming SLCC, Second Life what is it, Citizen's Convention?
[2011-05-08 18:13:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Last year they hosted a griefer hospitality suite, because a few of them are alcoholics.
[2011-05-08 18:14:07] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): ommunity convention [2011-05-08 18:14:14] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): *community
[2011-05-08 18:14:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And they defaced the Linden Lab building on Battery Street.
[2011-05-08 18:14:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): However, Linden Lab has been alerted that they might do this again this year, thanks to a connection Kara and I have.
[2011-05-08 18:15:18] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): I think they would have thought of it anyway, honestly.
[2011-05-08 18:15:24] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Hm, I wonder. How many of us Leaguers go onto the Beta Grid and patrol?
[2011-05-08 18:15:28] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): Hopefully this year if they pull the stunt, LL actually calls the cops instead of allowing them to deface private property
[2011-05-08 18:16:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Unfortunately getting information in and out of the Woodbury clan is difficult these days, due to the fact that they do almost everything in Skype now.
[2011-05-08 18:16:56] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Sounds like you need an Outsider. ;)
[2011-05-08 18:17:20] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Maybe so, Kami
[2011-05-08 18:18:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I think that's about it, actually.
[2011-05-08 18:18:43] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): But let us stop for a moment and question the legality of this - Hi, Tsu - before we do anything. Would it be legal for someone to go in and expose them, then spread said ifnormation all around Second Life? Even if it is for a good cause?
[2011-05-08 18:18:53] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Brilliant timing, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:19:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I've been speaking with Atlwolf Blabbermouth about the problem he was having with the Phantom Zone, and it turns out that he couldn't perform a local override of a global ban placed by the League.
[2011-05-08 18:19:10] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): *Ears perk*
[2011-05-08 18:19:16] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Atlwolf,huh? LOL.
[2011-05-08 18:19:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh, no, it wouldn't be ToS compliant to distribute that information in-world.
[2011-05-08 18:19:39] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Kami, no. Serious TOS violation, called "disclosure".
[2011-05-08 18:19:47] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): What about warning a Lidnen Lab employee about a potential attack?
[2011-05-08 18:19:57] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Done that, but offine.
[2011-05-08 18:19:59] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): offline
[2011-05-08 18:20:16] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That would be fine, and we've already told our Linden on the inside that this might happen.
[2011-05-08 18:20:34] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): do they even listen to us anymore?
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We may need to give him more details, if we can uncover any information about that kind of activity, though.
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Linden on the inside? *Ears and a single eyebrow perk*
[2011-05-08 18:21:01] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I heard some interesting rumors you might want to hear actually
[2011-05-08 18:21:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A friend of mine from a game company I used to work at was married about five years ago, and he became a Linden after that.
[2011-05-08 18:21:36] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Ah.
[2011-05-08 18:21:38] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, I think we'd be interested, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:21:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): What have you got?
[2011-05-08 18:21:53] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Though yearn my curiosity does to know, this Linden's cover, I will not ask you to blw.
[2011-05-08 18:22:14] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Nobody who interacts with the grid in any useful way. But he works in the building.
[2011-05-08 18:22:41] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): Not sure how accurate this is, but Whispers keep floating to whitheeavens Intel department, on a mole in Linden labs, Kinda like a "Griefer linden" , and how linden lab is also trying to shot themselves in the foot to get out of possiable partner ships or contracts
[2011-05-08 18:23:35] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Any substantiating information supporting either of these?
[2011-05-08 18:23:50] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): the second yes
[2011-05-08 18:23:56] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I can go into further detail
[2011-05-08 18:23:58] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Oh well, there was Rodney, I thought he got laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:24:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He did. Go ahead, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:24:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): for the second, allot of recent "Moves" linden lab has made kinda makes sense on shotting themselves in the foot, examples would be, the Shot to the None profit Orgz,, land going up consistently
[2011-05-08 18:24:55] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): land prices*
[2011-05-08 18:25:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing that you couldn't attribute to sheer cluelessness, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:25:20] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): i think they are trying to push business away, to possiable hit a Contract/partner ship termination they may have with someone or something
[2011-05-08 18:25:52] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): but thats all I have for now, I 'm still digging info on it to see if any of it is true or not
[2011-05-08 18:26:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anything substantial, like a person who has access to actual information who said something?
[2011-05-08 18:26:18] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well slightly, a while back I had spoke to Teeple linden
[2011-05-08 18:26:32] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and He did mention a few things about contracts and stuff and the lab trying to get out of the deals/agreements
[2011-05-08 18:27:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): On the other hand, operating with the intent to underperform has legal ramifications, and severe ones.
[2011-05-08 18:27:37] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well frontier is doing it currently too actually
[2011-05-08 18:27:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They may not sell stock, but they do have a board, and shareholders.
[2011-05-08 18:27:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh. Frontier.
[2011-05-08 18:27:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The burnout.
[2011-05-08 18:27:53] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): they raised tv installation prices to 500dollars for installs, they are trying to get out of contract
[2011-05-08 18:28:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing Frontier has to say at this point is of any value, he's liable to say anything - remember that he was fired.
[2011-05-08 18:28:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Well - laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:28:30] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I trust teeple
[2011-05-08 18:28:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and I don't put my trust in people easily
GreenLantern Excelsior: I suggest we purge that statement out of our log in anticipation of the next security breach on the wiki
ZenMondo Wormser: anyway I am against tampering with logs just to cover our ass if something gets out. Does not seem the right thing to do
Kalel Venkman: And now for something completely different: September 18 is Kindness Day.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Agreed.
Siobhan McCallen: Better to just keep it from getting the hell broken into.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Well this will look great when it comes out in the Herald some day. Just saying...
Kalel Venkman: We never tamper with our logs for that reason. In fact, over the years I've said a lot of things on the record that I regret saying that were embarrassing to me personally.
Kalel Venkman: But we don't redact that information just because it might be embarrassing.
Siobhan McCallen: WE did nothing wrong here.
Kalel Venkman: And right now, we're in the right, and we know it.
Siobhan McCallen: What are we talking about hiding information for?
Kalel Venkman: Anyway, September 18, Kindness Day.
GreenLantern Excelsior: For next time the Bwiki is stolen
ZenMondo Wormser: Owning what you say is part of personal repsonsibility. Learning from misspeaking and changing your attitude when you are wrong is personal growth.
Siobhan McCallen: So what if it's stolen? WE'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
GreenLantern Excelsior: You're not seeing the point
Kalel Venkman: Here's what Zaira Gearbox said in her notecard:
Vagabond Carter: why, nothing wrong with that , we arnt quoting him
Kalel Venkman: A final reminder - that graph at http://kryptonradio.com/webalizer doesn't just show how much of a voice and how much reach and influence we currently have - it's an indicator of how much MORE influence we're going to have in the near future.
Siobhan McCallen: Griefer is not a series of acts. It is a state of mind. It is someone who refuses to use logic and evidence, and appeals to mob emotion and wild leaps of imagination.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We finally have a Linden talking to us again. If word gets out that it happened, they will shut up again.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We need to learn our lesson on this
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Hm?
Vagabond Carter: Soft isnt goernance though
Kohaku Owatatsumi: The Lindens that were on speaking terms with us before were all fired.
Kalel Venkman: He's referring to Soft Linden. No, he's not.
Vagabond Carter: all he does id bug work
GreenLantern Excelsior: He's a Linden. That's what counts
Vagabond Carter: is
Kalel Venkman: But he has governance's ear, and he'll act on our behalf on software related exploits.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Ahh, a debugger *nods*
Kalel Venkman: So it's not the same as a general field agent, but we'll take what we can get.
Vagabond Carter: if we can show him what he needs to show them
Heidi Stiglitz: The concern is that it could cause trouble for the Lindens talking to us at that time
Siobhan McCallen: That's THEIR lookout.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Didn't Soft tell us why Tux was banned?
Kalel Venkman: I'm not concerned about another wiki theft. The probability of that happening now is very low now that the Wrong Hands is fully exposed as thieves and griefers, and they have no bully pulpit anymore.
Kalel Venkman: They just have a griefer blog.
Kalel Venkman: So what?
Kalel Venkman: He told us that the people responsible for the spyware system were banned.